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28-06-2012, 01:09 PM,
RE: Millenium
Since we are cross-referencing forums, please allow me to convey the latest:

I maintain the following: that any blow delivered to Chiliasm was delivered only and solely to the faulty Chiliasm of Cerinthus and Montanus.. To deny a place in Orthodoxy to the almost universal Chiliasm of the 2nd century Orthodoxy, is to misuse the office of the keys and to commit horrible transgression against the memory of the Martyrs and Saints of Orthodoxy who have NEVER been anathematized for their beliefs formally as heretics.

I maintain that this largely due to subsequent ignorance, intolerance and bigotry, and that it was not the intention of the early councils to throw out the baby with the bathwater, and that for this reason they did not openly condemn pure Chiliasm of the 2nd Century, nor anathematize its Saintly and Orthodox adherents.

I maintain that the tolerance toward those who did not accept Chiliasm, as depicted by Justyn Martyr and Irenaeus, during the 2nd century ( who were in the vast minority then as Chiliasts are now) ought to be reciprocated now, unless Bishops are prepared to openly anathematize the ancient Orthodox Church of the 2nd and 3rd century and its Orthodox Bishops and adherents such as Hippolytus and Irenaeus.

I maintain that to bar entry into the life of Orthodoxy to those who hold Orthodox Chiliastic belief is unbrotherly, uncharitable, bigoted and hypocritical, since the councils ONLY dealt with proclaimed heresies, namely and primarily that of Cerinthus and Montanus, and would not dare slander the doctrines and memory of the 2nd and 3rd century Saints who were Chiliasts and entirely Orthodox,and whose charitable acceptance as Orthodox brothers of those who held differing beliefs, even when they were at the time a minority, ought and must be replicated for true and undivided Orthodoxy to be evident.

PS: as for " lofty mind, educated, and holy" I must thank you for the flattery ( though I can be said to be " none of the above, at least for the time being"), but I am afraid it will get you nowhere... Peter Cvek

Messages In This Thread
Millenium - Peter Cvek - 25-06-2012, 07:41 PM
RE: Millenium - Dougherty - 26-06-2012, 12:07 AM
RE: Millenium - Peter Cvek - 26-06-2012, 12:35 AM
RE: Millenium - Dougherty - 26-06-2012, 12:45 AM
RE: Millenium - Peter Cvek - 26-06-2012, 12:58 AM
RE: Millenium - DanielM - 26-06-2012, 03:13 PM
RE: Millenium - Peter Cvek - 26-06-2012, 03:44 PM
RE: Millenium - DanielM - 27-06-2012, 11:00 AM
RE: Millenium - Dougherty - 27-06-2012, 11:21 AM
RE: Millenium - Peter Cvek - 27-06-2012, 11:34 AM
RE: Millenium - DanielM - 27-06-2012, 02:04 PM
RE: Millenium - Peter Cvek - 28-06-2012, 01:09 PM
RE: Millenium - Dougherty - 28-06-2012, 01:23 PM
RE: Millenium - DanielM - 28-06-2012, 07:14 PM

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