Very good points and observations. Thank you.
By way of reminder, I did use the expression "brutally honest" in my first post, and we are considering this in light of how it effect us in our lives and experiences . . . there is a fine line between speculative thinking and Historical Theology (or the History of Christian Thought); but, I wonder if we could consider more your experience of the EO and the OO as it relates to the "We" in this first statement in the Creed? As we might consider from the first three hundred years of persecution to the present day, I wonder if you could possibly help me to understand more about what you have said about what you experienced in the EO and the OO. Based on my very limited experience with the OO, I would agree with you 100%. In fact, this seems to be abundantly clear to me based on the internet personalities I am familiar with. But, without showing my ignorance any more than I already have . . . while we are on this part of our study, I wonder if you would have any thoughts about why there may be a higher degree of defensiveness and divisiveness in the one over the other as it relates to either psychology or Church History or other?