The Fathers and Theosis
30-04-2009, 02:07 PM
On Describing 'Theopoiesis'
admin Wrote:I just don't want to reject what is called theosis in the EO context if it is actually what you are describing by the term theopoeisis.
Dear Father Peter, Dear Marc,
This is kind of where I am attempting to go at the present as well. I am not sure that we understand what theopoiesis is at this point.
I am hoping that we can clearly define what theopoiesis is as a stand alone doctrine and then go from there.
It is clear that what you are presenting, Marc, is that they are two separate doctrines/concepts as well as terms. But, I am thinking it might be helpful to speak of theopoieis on it's own terms in order to get a more clear picture.
You know what I mean Gene? The time spent saying what is erroneous about theosis (Hellenic influence, etc.,) does not really shed light on what theopoiesis is so much.
So, I would like to humbly suggest that we do something like:
1.) Define theopoiesis
2.) Define theosis (as understood in Eastern Orthodoxy)
3.) See what the early fathers have to say.
So what do you think Marc? I wonder if you could bring the slow learners like me up to speed about what theopoiesis is by means of an outline with first and second level subheadings or bullet points or something like that on one post. I know that most of my posts are ramblers that are the opposite of an outline and/or bullet point . . . but, this sure would give us a good foundation and make things so much easier.
I would love to clearly understand what theopoieis is as you are presenting it here.
And, I really appreciate the following very much:
admin Wrote:I hope that we can be very honest and open with each other here in this fairly private forum, trusting each other's intentions, seeking together to find a shared experience of truth and love in the holy spirit.
Yes, open and honest . . . I sense there are good intentions here and I appreciate very much the openess and honesty that is present in this conversation (which seems to be void of agendas).
As for me, I am kind of like a dog on a track with what you are sharing with me Marc. And, I am very grateful for your presence here. I think we are headed in a good direction with this topic (which is a blessing to me). with your help things are becoming more clear each day.
Father Peter's post about extremes actually incites me to riot (in a good way) and I would love to take off on this in a way that I think does speak directly to our topic (about how Pneumatology and Christology can be brought together in a full synthesis in Orthodox Ecclesiology and a Christian Anthropology); but, I will hold off and see what you think. After all dude, you do seem to be the most informed here about what you are presenting.
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 - Rick Henry - 30-04-2009 02:07 PM