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Conversion without conversion?
03-08-2008, 06:48 PM
Post: #16
Conversion to what?
I know that as these threads become longer, it becomes difficult for others to join in, but perhaps we can gather for breath here with another reflection on 'conversion to what?'

Fr. Gregory makes a good point when he write about conversion 'to' and implicitly distinguishes it from 'conversion from'; is it 'push' or 'pull' that draws us?

Kirk's experience of religious education will not be atypical of those of us brought up in the UK; I recognise it myself, and had it not been for my experience of Anglicanism whilst at college, it would have been identical. I owe much to Newman and the Oxford Movement for drawing me to the Fathers of the Church. That gave me some notion of what might be 'orthodox', so, for me, it was being drawn to what I thought I had joined many years before.

But once I began to experience and interact with Orthodoxy, it became clear how very inadequate my notion of orthodoxy was. But this was part of the attraction; the notions of 'salvation' with which I had been acquainted seemed inadequate; St. Athanasius' dictum that 'God became man so that man could become God' had always seemed to me to hold a truth that I could not quite see; but acquaintanceship with the notion of 'theosis' came like a thunder-clap; yes, yes, I remember thinking, this is what I have always believed - I just had not word to express the concept.

My own life experience told me that there was something seriously awry with the 'once saved, always saved' notions I had been familiar with from childhood; but Orthodoxy made sense of those life experiences in a new context; a context in which one did not despair because one had fallen. There seems to me an optimism about Orthodoxy.

But there is part of the rub for those who convert. How do we acquire Orthodoxy in our daily life? That is where Peter's booklet is most useful; if we just do what it says, we do more than we used to. The homily, the readings and the Liturgy also seem to me to be useful tools for expanding our knowledge of what it means to be Orthodox.

Nor should we forget the Internet. There is seldom a question one has where one cannot find an Orthodox answer somewhere.

Perhaps the absence of a near by community has some advantages; one simply has to try harder, take it more seriously, and take one's faith into our daily life?

In Christ,

John

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. (1 John 4:10)
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[] - Fr Gregory - 28-07-2008, 08:10 AM
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[] - Greg W. - 01-08-2008, 06:53 PM
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[] - John Charmley - 01-08-2008, 10:18 PM
Conversion to what? - John Charmley - 03-08-2008 06:48 PM
[] - John Charmley - 04-08-2008, 02:50 PM
[] - John Charmley - 10-08-2008, 03:07 PM
[] - Rick Henry - 10-08-2008, 08:12 PM
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Tribes and Family - Rick Henry - 12-08-2008, 03:07 AM
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The Question of Questions - Rick Henry - 12-08-2008, 12:16 PM
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[] - Rick Henry - 16-08-2008, 02:35 PM
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